It is always so special to us to have conversations with others who have a passion, understanding, and care for small churches. Karl Vaters checks all of those boxes. Our conversations with him are some of our favorites, and this one is no different!
For Episode 33 of the podcast, we have Karl back on the show to talk about his own experiences in crisis leadership, how he's currently helping churches adapt to and recover from COVID-19, the importance of team leadership during this time, and a whole lot more. And, of course, there are quite a few laughs, and a mention of Karl's late cat, Darth.
Here are some key takeaways from today's conversation:
We've all seen the importance of adapting, but we're also approaching a time where we need a plan for recovery. We can see that time coming and it will look different for every church. But if we don't develop a plan when we can clearly see the need coming, we'll never develop one!
There's likely a hybrid-place coming and it will feel really awkward for leaders. A lot of us have struggled to navigate the past couple months as we've adapted. But soon things will get a little more foggy. We may technically be able to meet, but should we? And those decisions fall on us as leaders.
Churches with a team-based leadership model are doing better right now. This was one of my favorite aspects of this conversation towards the end of the episode. Karl shared some great wisdom about our calling in Ephesians 4 related to the work of ministry during this crisis, along with encouragement to assemble a "coalition of the willing." So good.
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Dale is the Executive Director here at 95Network and the author of Stalled: Hope and Help for Pastors Who Thought They'd Be There By Now. He has been in ministry for 40 years and is dedicated to helping small and mid-size churches get healthy. Dale has served in nearly every role of church leadership (except Worship Pastor), and has had a wide variety of coaching and consulting experience. He and his wife Gina have been married almost 40 years and live in Greenville, SC.